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Just stumbled upon this article about the 3rd in the series and although the casting choices were pretty awful it does give a good outline of who Batman next villian will be.
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LOL at the bale gif. They captured his expressions just brilliantly!
edit to add... Just stumbled upon this article about the 3rd in the series and although the casting choices were pretty awful it does give a good outline of who Batman next villian will be. la times
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cornandacobb |
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Pretty awesome.
Ledger was awesome. A little long. Last half hour was a bit messy. Sonar? Meh. |
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LeviSnuts |
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just rewatched the joker's pencil trick on the PreVail TS. Looks pretty good, even on a TV
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Bambeezle |
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dude real batts have sonar
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cornandacobb |
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I know what sonar is.
1) In the movie Bruce Wayne was like "Dude? Soanr? Like a submarine, cool." 2) The sonar segment was sloppily conveyed. |
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Plangent Hoi Polloi |
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i thought the joker thought all of his actions were funny and sick , in a sick demented way.
Just read the killing joke, kinda went in line with the jokers mindset in this movie and the first burton batman, but overall i didn't like the comic all that much. |
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DEATH TA PIGS |
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i agree that the sonar thing was a very lame gadget. decent concept but poor execution. reminded me of hokey ass daredevil.
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Dr John IX |
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It's not out here until tomorrow, and there's no good quality cams or anything around...
D'ya get that thing I sent ya?
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fornickels |
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To me, if he is going to be fully maniacal and have no real inherent "Joker" qualities outside of his look and the fact that he puts a twist on his crimes, they should have really gone with that. Give him blood. Let him cut some cheeks. Really make the crowd cringe at him. I guess the idea is that this Joker took no joy in his crimes.i couldn't disagree more he had a lot of joker qualities, he was funny making insane jokes the whole time. The way he killed people was very joker-esque. they put a new spin on it by having him tell how he got the scars throughout and coming up with a new way everytime to fit the person he was talking to. And he didn't enjoy his crimes? were you even watching? He took upmost pleasure in what he was doing. I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. And the lip smacking to me was to enhance the fact that his cheeks were fucked up, i imagine with your cheeks like that you'd probably drool or have problems controlling your saliva. Thats what the lip smacking was to me and it didn't bother me at all. It added to his craziness, like it was a crazy tick he had and couldn't stop doing. anyway, the joker character really entertained me. |
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Ecto Spunk |
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The "lip smacking" was planned
The "Building not blowing up all the way" was planned shit in movies are planned. This isn't reality TV |
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fornickels |
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The "lip smacking" was plannedof course, who would think it wasn't? |
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debonbon |
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The different stories about his scars is from the comic books I believe, so many different back stories and also him telling different ways of becoming The
Joker. I may be wrong.
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Spoonman462 |
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debonbon wrote: ya, that was pretty much a reference to The Killing Joke, where he said he prefers his past to be multiple choice
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fornickels |
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yeah i don't know about the comic books, but they did do a backstory on how he became that way during the first one with jack nicholson
a chemical burn i believe?? and then he paid a guy to fix his face via plastic surgery and it ended up like that is that correct? |
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debonbon |
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OriginThough many have been related, a definitive backstory has never been established for the Joker in the comics, and his real name has never been confirmed. He has been portrayed as lying so often about his former life that he himself is confused as to what actually happened. As he says in The Killing Joke: "Sometimes I remember it one way, sometimes another... if I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"[13] In Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth written by Grant Morrison, it is said that the Joker may not be insane, but has some sort of "super-sanity" in which he creates himself each day to cope with the chaotic flow of modern urban life.[16] The first origin account, Detective Comics #168 (February 1951), revealed that the Joker had once been a criminal known as the Red Hood. In the story, he was a scientist looking to steal from the company that employs him and adopts the persona of Red Hood. After committing the theft, which Batman thwarts, Red Hood falls into a vat of chemical waste. He emerges with bleached white skin, red lips, green hair, and a permanent grin.[17][18] The most widely cited backstory, which the official DC Comics publication, Who's Who in the DC Universe, credits as the most widely believed account, can be seen in The Killing Joke. It depicts him as originally being an engineer at a chemical plant who quits his job to become a stand-up comedian, only to fail miserably. Desperate to support his pregnant wife, Jeannie, the man agrees to help two criminals break into the plant where he was formerly employed. In this version of the story, the Red Hood persona is given to the inside man of every job (thus it is never the same man twice); this makes the man appear to be the ringleader, allowing the two criminals to escape. During the planning, police contact him and inform him that his wife and unborn child have died in a household accident.[13][14]
The Joker emerges from chemical-ridden water and goes insane in The Killing Joke. Art by Brian Bolland.
Stricken with grief, he attempts to back out of the plan, but the criminals strong-arm him into keeping his promise. As soon as they enter the plant, however, they are immediately caught by security and a shoot-out ensues, in which the two criminals are killed. As the engineer tries to escape, he is confronted by Batman, who is investigating the disturbance. Terrified, the engineer leaps over a rail and plummets into a vat of chemicals. When he surfaces in the nearby reservoir, he removes the hood and sees his reflection: bleached chalk-white skin, ruby-red lips, and bright green hair. These events, coupled with his other misfortunes that day, drive the engineer completely insane, resulting in the birth of the Joker.[13][14] The story "Pushback" (Batman: Gotham Knights # 50-55) supports part of this version of the Joker's origin story. In it, a witness (who coincidentally turns out to be Edward Nigma, a.k.a. the Riddler) recounts that the Joker's wife was kidnapped and murdered by the criminals in order to force the engineer into performing the crime. In this version, the pre-accident Joker is called Jack.[19] The Paul Dini-Alex Ross story "Case Study" proposes a far different theory. This story suggests that the Joker was a sadistic gangster who worked his way up Gotham's criminal food chain until he was the leader of a powerful mob. Still seeking the thrills that dirty work allowed, he created the Red Hood identity for himself so that he could commit small-time crimes. Eventually, he had his fateful first meeting with Batman, resulting in his disfigurement. However, the story suggests that the Joker retained his sanity, and researched his crimes to look like the work of a sick mind in order to pursue his vendetta against Batman. The latter origin is featured in the second arc of Batman Confidential (#7-12). This origin once more states his name as Jack, and eliminates the Red Hood identity. Bored with his work, Jack becomes obsessed with Batman, and crashes a museum ball to attract his attention. In doing so, he badly injures Lorna Shore (whom Bruce Wayne is dating). An enraged Batman disfigures his face with a batarang as he escapes. In retaliation, a furious Batman sells Jack out to mobsters who he had crossed, who torture Jack in a disused chemical plant. Turning the tables, Jack kills several of his assailants, but falls into an empty vat. Wild gunfire punctures the chemical tanks above him, and the resultant flood of toxins alters his appearance to that of the Joker or a clown.
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fornickels |
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yeah that's how they did it in the movie, chemicals
i guess they just added the plastic surgeon to make it more believable? anyway thanks deb |
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I liked the movie, but agree it could have been condensed. I had a real problem with that heavy-ass bike standing up and turning on its rear tire like that,
but I can live with the sonar bit, be it a poorly-disclosed concept within the movie. I think my biggest criticism is the silly deep voice given to
Batman...maybe in a couple scenes it could have worked for emphasis, but overall it was a cheesy idea to use throughout, for every word.
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debonbon |
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I only know from reading wiki, never read many comics. I just read trivia.
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kitten milk |
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i will never get my wasted time back.
leaning over i made a big YAWN sound only went to see Heath Ledger |
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RevMen |
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The chemical which created Jack Nicholson's Joker caused that weird smile, didn't it? Smilex?
Also, custom signatures are still gay.
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